East Midlands Derby vs Derby County
Ten miles of farmland and a century and a half of grudges.
The East Midlands Derby — often called the Two Cities Derby — is the fixture between Nottingham Forest and Derby County, two clubs separated by roughly ten miles of rolling Midlands farmland and connected by the A52 and the M1. It is one of the oldest sustained rivalries in English professional football, with competitive meetings stretching back to the 1880s and 1890s when both sides were finding their feet in the early Football League structure.
What makes the derby feel different from a normal league game is the sheer proximity. These aren't two cities separated by a hundred miles; they share the same dialect, the same postcodes, the same pub culture. A Forest fan and a Derby fan might work in the same factory, sit in the same queue at the same supermarket. That closeness turns every meeting into something personal, something almost tribal, in a way that a London or Merseyside rivalry simply cannot replicate at the same intensity relative to the population involved.
- Distance between cities
- Approximately 10 miles
- First competitive meetings
- 1880s–1890s
- Nottingham Forest European Cups
- 2 (1979, 1980)
- Nottingham Forest FA Cups
- 3 (1959, 1961, 1999)
- Derby County FA Cups
- 3 (1947, 1959, 2004)
- Home grounds
- City Ground (Forest) / Pride Park Stadium (Derby)
Lore & Background
The roots of the East Midlands Derby are as old as organised football itself. Nottingham, the older city, had its club (founded 1865) competing in the Football Alliance and then the Football League by the mid-1880s. Derby County, established in 1884, followed into the Football League a few years later. From the very first league meetings in the 1890s, the fixture carried a weight that went beyond three points. Two mill towns, two working-class communities, two sets of supporters who could see each other's town from the hills on a clear day. The rivalry was never about money or glamour; it was about being the better of two neighbours who shared everything else.
The 1970s and early 1980s created the most lopsided chapter in the derby's history. Brian Clough's Nottingham Forest were winning the European Cup, the league title, and the League Cup, while Derby County were often fighting in the Second Division. For a Forest supporter, the derby became a reminder of how far the club had climbed. For a Derby fan, it was a source of quiet, simmering resentment — the neighbours who had the same start but somehow ended up in a different world. That gap made the derby feel almost unfair, and the memory of it still colours how both sets of supporters talk about the fixture.
In the 1990s, when both clubs were simultaneously in the Premier League, the derby took on a different flavour. It was no longer a clash of divisions; it was two clubs of broadly similar stature meeting on equal footing. The intensity was different — more even, more unpredictable, and in some ways more dangerous. Both sets of fans could point to a season where they were the better team, and that mutual respect laced with contempt is what keeps the East Midlands Derby alive in a way that many older rivalries have lost.
In Their Own Story
The fog came in off the Trent at half-time, thick as wool, and the floodlights at the City Ground turned the pitch into a pale rectangle floating in grey. In the away end, a Derby fan in a claret-and-blue scarf pulled it tighter around his neck and muttered to the lad beside him: "They think they're better than us because they've got a trophy in the cabinet." The lad shrugged. "They think that every week, mate." Out on the pitch, a Forest midfielder wiped mud from his boots, looked up at the stands where the red-and-white flags were barely visible through the murk, and felt the old familiar heat in his chest. Not anger, exactly. Something older. The knowledge that in ten minutes he'd be running at a man who grew up three miles down the A52, who went to the same grammar school, who still had his mum's number saved in his phone. The referee's whistle cut through the fog. The ball was in the air. The derby was back on.
Reader's Guide
Right, so picture this: two cities, roughly ten miles apart, sharing the same accent, the same weather, the same chip shops. Nottingham and Derby. One's got the red-and-white shirt, the other's got claret and blue. And they've been kicking a ball at each other since the 1880s. That's the East Midlands Derby, and it's not like a London derby or a Merseyside one because the distance is so short. You can drive from one city centre to the other in fifteen minutes. Your cousin might support the other side. Your mate at work might be in the away end on Saturday.
The historical root is simple proximity and class. Both are mill towns, both are working-class, both have been in and out of the top flight for over a century. There's no one big historical insult that defines it the way there is in some other derbies. It's just… two neighbours who can't stand each other. The 1970s made it weird, though, because Clough's Forest were winning European Cups while Derby were in the Second Division. That gap left a mark.
Defining encounters: the late-'70s, when Forest were the European champions and Derby were fighting relegation — the derby felt almost like a different sport. The mid-to-late 1990s, when both were in the Premier League and the matches were genuinely even, with either side winning by a goal. And then there's the long tail of hundreds of meetings where a 1-0 at the City Ground or the Pride Park meant more to the local community than any other result that season.
What makes it different? It's the intimacy. In a big-city derby, you're one of thousands. Here, you're one of a few thousand in a town that's the size of a suburb elsewhere. Everyone knows everyone. The referee knows your uncle. The linesman's wife works at the same hospital. That's the East Midlands Derby. It's personal in a way that's almost uncomfortable.
Did You Know?
- The two cities are close enough that a fan can drive from the City Ground to Pride Park Stadium in under twenty minutes, making it one of the shortest 'away' journeys in English football.
- During Brian Clough's second spell at Nottingham Forest (1975–1981), the club won the European Cup twice, the league title, and the League Cup, while Derby County spent much of that period in the Second Division — a gap
- Both clubs have won the FA Cup three times each: Forest in 1959, 1961, and 1999; Derby County in 1947, 1959, and 2004 — meaning the two rivals have collectively lifted the same trophy six times.
- The rivalry predates the Premier League and the modern professional Football League, with competitive meetings dating back to the 1880s and 1890s.
More in Great Rivalries & Derbies
Elsewhere in the Nottingham Forest universe
Spotted an error? Know more?
This is a living reference — every entry is fact-audited, and reader corrections feed straight into our audit queue. Suggest an edit · See this site's audit record
